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0001642 [1003.1(2016/18)/Issue7+TC2] Base Definitions and Headers Editorial Clarification Requested 2023-03-19 09:10 2024-06-11 09:07
Reporter bastien View Status public  
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Priority normal Resolution Accepted As Marked  
Status Closed  
Name Bastien Roucaries
Organization debian
User Reference
Section any
Page Number any
Line Number any
Interp Status ---
Final Accepted Text Note: 0006213
Summary 0001642: DUMB terminal is not defined
Description Hi,

They are no definition of a dumb terminal used in vi and ed pages.
Desired Action - Define that is a dumb terminal
- Define how to detect a dumb terminal
Tags applied_after_i8d3, tc3-2008
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(0006213)
geoffclare (manager)
2023-03-21 12:10
edited on: 2023-03-21 13:19

 There is only one use of "dumb" in normative text, which is in the description of the redraw edit option (P2739 L89670).

In the description of the -s option, the phrase "the terminal is a type incapable of supporting open or visual modes" is used instead and the rationale explains "The terminal type ``incapable of supporting open and visual modes'' has historically been named ``dumb''". Given that this statement exists, I don't see any problem with the use of "dumb terminal" elsewhere in non-normative text.

Proposed change:

On page 2739 line 89670 section ex, change:
The editor simulates an intelligent terminal on a dumb terminal.
to:
If redraw is set and the terminal is a type incapable of supporting open or visual modes, the editor shall redraw the screen when necessary in order to update its contents.
(0006218)
bastien (reporter)
2023-03-22 09:47

 Thanks,

Will prefer something like:
On page 2739 line 89670 section ex, change:

    The editor simulates an intelligent terminal on a dumb terminal.

to:

    If redraw is set and the terminal is a type incapable of supporting open or visual modes (this terminal has historically been named ``dumb''"), the editor shall redraw the screen when necessary in order to update its contents.
(0006270)
ajosey (manager)
2023-04-22 08:56

 The term dumb is one we are recommended to avoid in our style guide regarding use of ableist language.

3.1.7 Ableist Language

When trying to achieve a friendly and conversational tone, problematic ableist language may slip in. This can come in the form of figures of speech and other turns of phrase. Be sensitive to your word choice, especially when aiming for an informal tone. Ableist language includes words or phrases such as crazy, insane, blind to or blind eye to, cripple, dumb, and others. Choose alternative words depending on the context.

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2023-03-19 09:10 bastien New Issue
2023-03-19 09:10 bastien Name => Bastien Roucaries
2023-03-19 09:10 bastien Organization => debian
2023-03-19 09:10 bastien Section => any
2023-03-19 09:10 bastien Page Number => any
2023-03-19 09:10 bastien Line Number => any
2023-03-19 10:28 bastien Issue Monitored: bastien
2023-03-21 12:10 geoffclare Note Added: 0006213
2023-03-21 13:19 geoffclare Note Edited: 0006213
2023-03-22 09:47 bastien Note Added: 0006218
2023-04-20 16:18 geoffclare Interp Status => ---
2023-04-20 16:18 geoffclare Final Accepted Text => Note: 0006213
2023-04-20 16:18 geoffclare Status New => Resolved
2023-04-20 16:18 geoffclare Resolution Open => Accepted As Marked
2023-04-20 16:19 geoffclare Tag Attached: tc3-2008
2023-04-22 08:56 ajosey Note Added: 0006270
2023-06-13 10:43 geoffclare Status Resolved => Applied
2023-06-13 10:43 geoffclare Tag Attached: applied_after_i8d3
2024-06-11 09:07 agadmin Status Applied => Closed

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